I am currently working on a solution to allow all WG 3.3 systems to participate in DOVEnet, without the mess of the past

I will keep everyone updated as to the progress soon.
OhASys - pheedom.net
Moderator: Mod Squad
thats great news, i made a few attempts at qwk-net networking before but the damn packets were getting corrupted, would this new methid allow the addition of any qwk-network? this could be a viable solution to starting another majornet, etc...OhASys wrote:Just a heads up.
I am currently working on a solution to allow all WG 3.3 systems to participate in DOVEnet, without the mess of the past
I will keep everyone updated as to the progress soon.
OhASys - pheedom.net
Vector wrote:I've got WG 3.3 able to retrieve and properly "file" DOVE-Net forums using the same DNews software that CCS was using way back when. Combonation of DNews and the NNTP services built into WG.
I haven't tried posting yet, not sure what will happen. Still trying to work out a few kinks on how far back it downloads stuff.
Only snag so far is it seems Worldgroup tags the date of the message the day it was fed the feed from DNews. No way around this. Future posts won't really be an issue as there should only be a 5 minute delay (or more if you set your fetching longer).
Oh, and posting, haven't even explored that yet.
hmm it is possible to have the message reformatted using a program to open the btrieve file and change the date? only downside is btrieve is so clunky it could cause a bit of lag, but if a simple date is the only problem
prolly not even worth playing with.
The "(E)Mail Reply" feature will likely never work with this method, as all the DOVE-Net messages are not Internet route-able and WG expects that since it things DOVE-Net is a usegroup.
Meh, I'm rambling. Enough progress for one evening.
dspain wrote:hmm it is possible to have the message reformatted using a program to open the btrieve file and change the date? only downside is btrieve is so clunky it could cause a bit of lag, but if a simple date is the only problem prolly not even worth playing with.
Vector wrote:Only snag so far is it seems Worldgroup tags the date of the message the day it was fed the feed from DNews. No way around this. Future posts won't really be an issue as there should only be a 5 minute delay (or more if you set your fetching longer).
nice, im sure there is a way to make argus or radius work, i use those to pull fidonet and years ago there was a setup for major bbs and frontdoor 2.02 for majornet.Vector wrote:I've been testing 3 DOVE-Net echos on my board using the DNews as the "proxy" and it seems to be working reliably well at pulling the information and filing it properly in the right forum without any "interaction" from me.
I still have a couple DNews configuration bits to work out, but it can most likely be solved by telling DNews to cache the groups you want for 1000 days or something similar.
I have not yet attempted to post to DOVE-Net and will be tinkering with that probably in the next two weeks.
I have the General, Entertainment, and Ham Radio echos pulling into Starbase 21 for anyone who wants to check it out. /GO FORUMS is where it's at.
Iceman wrote:Lack of knowledge here... but doesn't MailLink software from SIR handle all the network mail things? the old majornet forums and such? Perhaps that software could be modified in some fashion to support other networks, or it might already support them and just need the scripting worked out?
I wanted to say it was original Mountain Mail... but it seems MailLink by ISVSIR was the majornet handler?
EDIT: I just noticed my post to the ham forum hasn't propagated to Pheedom's WL forum, so maybe there is an issue with some of them. I'm sure in due time we can correct these issues.Vector wrote:I'm not having an issue with the WGSysop WL forum, and I posted in one of the empty ones today to see if it propagates out there. The WGSysop one is working well so I don't see any other reason the others won't. I'd be happy to assist and troubleshoot any WL forum issue you may have to the best of my ability. You can find me in the WorldLink main channel almost every day and evening of the week. (With the exception of this weekend, I'll be out of town.)
Franchise_24 wrote:Isn't there some type of software we can use that's free or built in with WG? Seems kinda crazy to pay close to $100 just to get some linked message bases. The WordLink forums are already a joke. There's no activity, not many have added them, and half the forums don't work with the addresses they were given to use. I don't really see anyone spending money to be able to have message bases.
i think given time and enough sysops learning of its revival online WL could grow into a huge system i mean DoveNet man i had this back in 1994 when i purchased synchronet 2.20 so it has been online for a bit and fidonet dates back to the 80's.Vector wrote:Another edit... I just read your post in WGSysop about the non-working groups.
Unless someone writes a 3.x NT module, I don't see a built-in way of doing it.
Let's be fair about the WorldLink forums, WorldLink has only been back on-line for something in the "months" category whereas Fidonet & DOVE-Net are in the "decades" of activity category.
The WorldLink forums seem to work fine for me, the only thing with mild activity is the Sysop forum, I posted something to the Ham Radio forum today to see if it pops up.
EDIT: I just noticed my post to the ham forum hasn't propagated to Pheedom's WL forum, so maybe there is an issue with some of them. I'm sure in due time we can correct these issues.Vector wrote:I'm not having an issue with the WGSysop WL forum, and I posted in one of the empty ones today to see if it propagates out there. The WGSysop one is working well so I don't see any other reason the others won't. I'd be happy to assist and troubleshoot any WL forum issue you may have to the best of my ability. You can find me in the WorldLink main channel almost every day and evening of the week. (With the exception of this weekend, I'll be out of town.)
The majority of the Major BBS/WG userbase is MajorMUD scripters right now, and we know they're not posting in the forums, so I think calling the WL forums a joke at this phase is a little unfair. (No offense meant in that statement, just my opinion.)
As for DNews being $95, there are probably alternative software packages that will accomplish this that are free or less expensive, but a user on this forum CCS previously had this working (or at least had good theory on having this working) using DNews, so it was the logical place to start. DNews is just a full featured NNTP server, there's likely a Linux free/open source system that would work as well.
This particular experiment is mainly to figure out the mechanics and technical aspects of what is required to interface MBBS with DOVE-Net via NNTP (or really any linked message network that supports NNTP).
Vector (Dave)
Franchise_24 wrote:Isn't there some type of software we can use that's free or built in with WG? Seems kinda crazy to pay close to $100 just to get some linked message bases. The WordLink forums are already a joke. There's no activity, not many have added them, and half the forums don't work with the addresses they were given to use. I don't really see anyone spending money to be able to have message bases.
I've never used it, but Windows Server has a NNTP server (2000 - 2008). This is a feature that is not installed as part of the basic system, but needs to be specifically installed.Franchise_24 wrote:Isn't there some type of software we can use that's free or built in with WG? Seems kinda crazy to pay close to $100 just to get some linked message bases. The WordLink forums are already a joke. There's no activity, not many have added them, and half the forums don't work with the addresses they were given to use. I don't really see anyone spending money to be able to have message bases.
Toyduck wrote:I've never used it, but Windows Server has a NNTP server (2000 - 2008). This is a feature that is not installed as part of the basic system, but needs to be specifically installed.Franchise_24 wrote:Isn't there some type of software we can use that's free or built in with WG? Seems kinda crazy to pay close to $100 just to get some linked message bases. The WordLink forums are already a joke. There's no activity, not many have added them, and half the forums don't work with the addresses they were given to use. I don't really see anyone spending money to be able to have message bases.
well dont Rob have dove-net capable of being setup as a news feed?Vector wrote:A few updates on this...
I think I have it working. I successfully posted to DOVE-Net about 20 minutes ago for the first time. I can see it on my local NNTP server AND DOVE-Net's NNTP hub (vert.synchro.net).
I've traded a couple e-mails with someone at the makers of DNews. It's an old product that they no longer develop or want to support, but I'm seeing if there's a way to get a discount or free license for our purposes. They use to issue free licenses to people that would advertise their product for them or education purposes so I don't think it's so far fetched. You never know what you can get if you don't ask.
Alternatively a single license should be able to handle feeding DOVE-Net to multiple boards. I'd have to move it somewhere with a bit more bandwidth and reliability if it came to that. Right now DNews runs on the same machine as my board. Another idea would be if it is possible to feed the WorldLink hub with DNews somehow and have it feed DOVE-Net back and forth. Then MBBS/WG boards could just use the built-in Worldlink forums. That's me just talking out of my a** since I have no clue about the technical inner workings of the WL hub.
Vec
Toyduck wrote:I've never used it, but Windows Server has a NNTP server (2000 - 2008). This is a feature that is not installed as part of the basic system, but needs to be specifically installed.Franchise_24 wrote:Isn't there some type of software we can use that's free or built in with WG? Seems kinda crazy to pay close to $100 just to get some linked message bases. The WordLink forums are already a joke. There's no activity, not many have added them, and half the forums don't work with the addresses they were given to use. I don't really see anyone spending money to be able to have message bases.
dspain wrote: well dont Rob have dove-net capable of being setup as a news feed?
if so worldgroup has built in features to send/receive nntp feeds.
i remember in sync 3.10 being able to receive dovenet stuff as a newsgroup.
Franchise_24 wrote:Any update on DNews, or the availability of some other type of free software to use for DoveNet?
I tried getting on his board, but none of the links I had resolve anymore.Questman wrote:Joe (CCS) had it working via NNTP but he hasn't been on the boards in a while.
Questman wrote:Joe (CCS) had it working via NNTP but he hasn't been on the boards in a while.
Vector wrote:I'm using DNews, which is what Joe was using. That's how I found DNews from some of his old posts. Rob @ Synchro's NNTP server has some FidoNet echos, but I'm not sure if you can post to them because I think FidoNET still requires a Fido address to route. Posting via NNTP is just an e-mail address, not a User@#:###/## format.
Dave
Questman wrote:Joe (CCS) had it working via NNTP but he hasn't been on the boards in a while.
Vector wrote:DNews is still available for download from the original creator.
http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm
I believe it runs 30 days without purchasing.
Xray2000 wrote:Hi Vecor,
Thanks, ok i see it is verry expansif, but i have a solution *
*Vector wrote:DNews is still available for download from the original creator.
http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm
I believe it runs 30 days without purchasing.
Vector wrote:While not supported DNews still actively sold and copyrighted software.
Xray2000 wrote:Hi Vecor,
Thanks, ok i see it is verry expansif, but i have a solution *
*Vector wrote:DNews is still available for download from the original creator.
http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm
I believe it runs 30 days without purchasing.
Xray2000 wrote:Yes i know but here in Belgium it is verry hard to get a visa card or other card for buying stuff or registerting software, so i dont have that option and i found already something that works for the trial , so that's fix...
Vector can you explane me how you have setup DNews with WG please this is for me the first time and i realy dont know where to start ... and how i can get this in WG.
Thanks!
Vector wrote:I will be compiling some information on how to set up DNews and I will post it, but it will take me a while to get it together. I have to dig through pages of notes to recall exactly how it was all done so I can accurately communicate it to everyone here. I will release a HOWTO soon, but it's going to take some time.
Dave
Xray2000 wrote:Yes i know but here in Belgium it is verry hard to get a visa card or other card for buying stuff or registerting software, so i dont have that option and i found already something that works for the trial , so that's fix...
Vector can you explane me how you have setup DNews with WG please this is for me the first time and i realy dont know where to start ... and how i can get this in WG.
Thanks!
join fidonet 229 and get a node id.Vector wrote:I'm using DNews, which is what Joe was using. That's how I found DNews from some of his old posts. Rob @ Synchro's NNTP server has some FidoNet echos, but I'm not sure if you can post to them because I think FidoNET still requires a Fido address to route. Posting via NNTP is just an e-mail address, not a User@#:###/## format.
Dave
Questman wrote:Joe (CCS) had it working via NNTP but he hasn't been on the boards in a while.
yeah but keep in mind if it is currently supported/sold breaking the protection isnt exactly fair to the author.Xray2000 wrote:Hi Vecor,
Thanks, ok i see it is verry expansif, but i have a solution for keep running the trial version for ever !
There is a tool out and let thinks that you are running the software from the first install date, so you can keep it running without paying the trial version ....
Vector wrote:DNews is still available for download from the original creator.
http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm
I believe it runs 30 days without purchasing.
dspain wrote:yeah but keep in mind if it is currently supported/sold breaking the protection isnt exactly fair to the author.Xray2000 wrote:Hi Vecor,
Thanks, ok i see it is verry expansif, but i have a solution *
*
Vector wrote:DNews is still available for download from the original creator.
http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm
I believe it runs 30 days without purchasing.
Xray2000 wrote:Victor dspain,
*
johnmanyjars wrote:Hi Guys,
I am starting to work on a gateway between the two, but it sounds like you've got it working.
If you guys can provide me with instructions, I'll see if I can set it up using a linux (and therefore free) NNTP server.
Sounds good. What about installing cgywin http://www.cygwin.com/ and running the (linux) nntp server on that?Vector wrote:I'll be posting instructions in the next week or so to use DNews. I am also working on using a Linux based NNTP server, however I am still going to search for a "single box" solution. Something that runs in XP.
Alternatively I may end up with a virtual machine, with the BBS on one, and a Linux NNTP on the other.
Stay tuned for DNews instructions soonish. Just depends on how busy work is.
Vector
Franchise_24 wrote:Any updates on the step by step tutorial to setup
DNews?
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US:DOVE-Net.General
US:DOVE-Net.Advertisements
US:DOVE-Net.Entertainment
US:DOVE-Net.Debate
US:DOVE-Net.Programming
US:DOVE-Net.Unix
US:DOVE-Net.HAM_Radio
US:DOVE-Net.Internet
US:DOVE-Net.Pro-Audio
US:DOVE-Net.Firearms
US:DOVE-Net.Sports
US:DOVE-Net.Religion
US:DOVE-Net.Hobbies
!!! Sysops ONLY and Test Posts! !!!
US:DOVE-Net.US:DOVE-Net_Sysops
!!! Synchronet Specific Echos -- I do not sub to these !!!
US:DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Announcements
US:DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion
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US:DOVE-Net.Synchronet_JavaScript
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# myname must translate to this hosts ip address
# myname should be the windows computer name for this system
myname BBSCOMPUTERNAME
# change this to the IP you added to your NIC for DNews
bind_in 192.168.1.119
# bind_out 127.0.0.1
# path_stamp goes into the Path: header to stop loops etc
# I left path_stamp alone, DNews automatically set this.
path_stamp BBSCOMPUTERNAME.
# Sucking settings
# be sure to put your Vert Synchro username and password in place of the [] below!
# do not leave the brackets ([]) in place!
nntp_feeder vert.synchro.net DOVE-Net.* [your vert username] [your vert password]
cachedall true
suck_stream true
suck_maxold 25
suck_batchn 100
# routing settings
post_route true
# Manager
# This should be a valid e-mail address for your Sysop
manager sysop@bbs.yourbbsname.net
# Send confirmation emails to people who match this address
# Set the below to *@hostname.yourbbsdomain.net so users get e-mails when they post confirming it worked
confirm *@bbs.yourbbsname.net
# Directories
# These should be automatically configure by the DNews install.
config C:\dnews
logdir C:\dnews
workarea C:\dnews\work
history C:\dnews\hist
xover_dir C:\dnews\xover
# Main spool area
spool C:\dnews\spool
diskspace 5172
# --------------OPTIONAL THINGS TO CHANGE BELOW HERE -----------------------
# Send daily reports, default is 'yes'
# I changed this to no because I didn't want a daily e-mail of activity, you can switch to yes if you want!
report no
# Logging and debug settings, error,warn,info,debug
# debug item:group:feed:chan: Selective debugging output Default is all
loglvl info
# Number of days to keep fetching each news group after it's last read
life 365
# expire_at mins hours
# this example would only do updates at night
# update_at *5 17-7
# Update twice an hour and do one expire at 2 in the morning
update_at *5 * Every 10 minutes
expire_at 5 5
# If less than 'n' megabytes are free on any partition/volume/disk then
# news will stop sucking and accepting feeds, posts still work.
workarea_min 5
history_min 20
spool_min 10
# Do forward dns lookups on IHAVE entries in access.conf
# and find all the numbers related to the name.
access_forward true
# Do forward dns lookups on names returned from reverse
# dns lookups, if the number doesn't match the original number
# then don't use the name for access.conf checking. This
# prevents dns spoofing (which is very very rare but possible).
dns_check true
# Refuse news articles with a 'date' more than this old, this is just to avoid
# accepting news from a restored news disk.
too_old 14
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# Piles should never be swapped around.
# Expiration depends on the pile settings when the item arrives.
# I don't know if any of this changed, it was automatic by DNews
remember 3
pile 1 groups * use 100%
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site me
groups DOVE-Net.*
site vert.synchro.net
groups DOVE-Net.*
exclude vert.synchro.net
type posting
site 192.168.1.1
type builtin
groups DOVE-Net.*
exclude bbs.yourdomainname.net
site bbs.yourdomainname.net
smtp